A little while ago I found this post on on Crashburn Alley. It's got some pretty bombastic claims and a severe rebuke to Carlos Delgado, one of the most soft spoken well liked guy in the majors. I'm all for shit talking, but if youre going to tell Carlos Delgado to 'shut the fuck up' and then go on to say some shit like "the Mets definitely aren’t as good as the Phillies going into 2008," you better A) back that up with some sound research, and B) be able to handle a little trash talk coming the other way.
So I posted some comments like this:
"comparing what rollins did last year to this nothing of a quote by delgado is ludicrous.
as for your analysis, there is plenty of ways to say the mets will be just as good as the phillies will be next year. as you pointed out, there is a tiny .11 runs per game difference. statistically thats nothing. plenty of teams won more games than teams that outscored them by a mere .11 runs/game.
im not going to go thru and correct your whole article but like i said, if you want to really find out who will do better next year, get some reasonable playing time estimates and use PECOTA or CHONE et al to get some decent projections and go from there."
This is actually exactly what my comment said. I saved it because Mr Crashburn Alley, Bill Baer, decided my previous comment was too "immature" and deleted it. That is fucking weak. What he meant by 'immature' is I called his post terrible and he can't handle the criticism. So while I'm making cogent agruements for his post being dogshit, I'm also having this conversation with him via email.
On Jan 8, 2008 5:11 PM, Ken Dynamo <kendynamo@hotmail.com> wrote:
only an idiot would say the mets are losing shawn green's 120 CAREER OPS+ next year. and youre saying last year rowand did a better job than the beltran last year? are fucking retarded? actually, i think you said at CF, the phillies were better than the mets. but you dont add up all the ABs for CFers, just the two players who got most of the ABs, and you only use OPS+, and ignore defense, among other things. over all your article blew. that is some horrible analysis.
also, why did you delete my comment? because i criticized your boring and awful post? thats a great way to start a dialog.
i'll see you and jimmy rollins in hell.
ate: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:27:29 -0500
From: crashburnalley@gmail.com
To: kendynamo@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: horrible article about the mets v phillies
You can criticize me all you want as long as you're mature and intelligent. I think you can tell by this E-mail of yours why I deleted your comment. Leave the immaturity out and it sticks!
Neither of us can look at the situation 100% objectively, so let's both admit we have a bias towards our teams.
Rowand got about 95% of the playing time in center field for the Phillies, and Beltran got 85% for the Mets. The only "other" center fielder to log at least 100 defensive innings for either team is Lastings Milledge and based on his average season last year, it's actually better I didn't even include him. And look at it this way: Rowand had more plate appearances and put up a higher OPS than Beltran. That counts for something, doesn't it?
And if you read this article from The Hardball Times, Beltran is worth almost 4 runs less than Rowand defensively when it comes to their arms. Granted, that's a rough measure, and I do believe Beltran is better than Rowand defensively overall (better range), but they're not that far apart for it to have a consequence in the figures.
If you read the article carefully, you'll see that I said that Green underperformed for the Mets, so they're not actually losing a 120 OPS+. Also, I used plate appearances, not at-bats.
Thanks.
-- Bill B.
On Jan 8, 2008 7:23 PM, Ken Dynamo <kendynamo@hotmail.com > wrote:
oh christ, bill, grow a sack. i'd assumed that someone who feels comfortable attacking the integrity of professional sports journalists can handle some fellow hack blogger calling their post boring. have some balls, honestly.
as for beltran v rowand, why not just look at win shares. you know TH publishes them for everyone.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/?view=winshares
wow, 4 runs better with his throwing arm. too bad it doesnt make up for the 4 WIN difference beltran has over rowand.
and i still dont get why you would use green CAREER OPS+ when hes is clearly at the end of his career. youve heard of career decline? i would say green actually out preformed expectations this year, considering most people expected him to suck even worse. losing green is addition by subtraction.
you are taking hack to a new level. congratulations.
warm regards,
kenneth
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 05:35:58 -0500
From: crashburnalley@gmail.com
To: kendynamo@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: horrible article about the mets v phillies
Ken,
Win shares aren't very highly regarded.
As for Green, he's been good as recently as 2005, but he won't be 2001-02 good. He's entering his 14th full season, I wouldn't call him finished. He still gets on base above the league average. Wherever he signs, he'll be a decent #6/7 hitter. Seems that the Giants and Devil Rays are the teams most interested.
I have no interest in talking sports, politics, or any other issue if the person I am dealing with isn't displaying maturity, respect, and/or intelligence. And I never attacked Conlin's integrity.
Thanks for understanding,
Bill B.
On Jan 9, 2008 9:14 AM, Ken Dynamo <kendynamo@hotmail.com> wrote:
god you're a pussy.
| Re: horrible article about the mets v phillies | |
| From: | Bill Baer (crashburnalley@gmail.com) |
| Sent: | Wed 1/09/08 12:44 PM |
| To: | Ken Dynamo (kendynamo@hotmail.com) |
-- Bill B.
I probably come off as a real dickhead in this exchange, and I'm sure Bill Baer is a decent guy in real life, but fuck it, don't be so fucking sensitive, man. So you have a hack blog. Big deal. This blog sucks, you don't see me acting like a bitch every time someone points it out.
I wouldn't expect anyone to still be reading at this point, but if you are out there, thanks for tuning into this episode of pathetically, lame, puerile and pitiful blogger battle. Thanks for being such a great sport, Bill Baer. And Jimmy Rollins: I'm coming to fuck you in the butt.
Toodles.
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